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NAFTA, Capitalism and Alternatives: Debate, V/1




On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Victor O. Story wrote:

> I agree.  If we want to talk about development in realistic terms we are 
> talking capitalism.  That is why in practical terms, all the weeping and 
> teeth grinding over the concept of capitalism is a waste of time.  

Victor: If there is one thing people have done very little here, it is 
discussing the "concept" of capitalism. Certainly, I haven't heard any 
"weeping and teeth grinding". What there has been is a discussion of the 
real historical phenomena of capitalism and whether we should say Ya 
Basta! and move on to some other, less brutal, ways of organizing society

> We 
> should be discussing development, not fixating on how sentimental we feel 
> about anti-capitalist rhetoric.  Our adolescent memories of righteous 
> indignation with the injustices of the world and the attachment of our 
> egos to symbols of bygone Marxist heroes and May Day rallies are pathetic 
> excuses for serious analysis of problems of ordinary people who live and 
> breathe.
> 
> Victor
> 

Victor: We HAVE been discussing "development". You just don't like what I 
have had to say about it. And instead of responding to the arguments made 
you have now resorted to rather ugly personal characterizations. This is 
not good style Victor. Makes YOU look bad. That little paragraph you just 
pinned is called an "ad hominem" attack, i.e., "an attack on an 
opponent's character rather than by an answer to his contentions"(Webster)


On Fri, 28 Apr 1995, Victor O. Story wrote:

But I am Marxist in much of my own ideological leanings.  My objection is 
to the pat, crude Marxism on these lists that is the same old knee-jerk 
rhetoric.  

Victor: Why is it that you never respond to what I answer? You made this 
reference to "old knee-jerk rhetoric" before, and I cited a few examples 
of such rhetoric and noted their absence. Where is all this rhetoric you 
keep talking about??  You love to say this, with as much contempt as you 
can pack into your words, but you never give us any examples. Curious.
 
As for your assertion that you are a Marxist in your "own ideological 
leanings", I wonder what that means, especially since the only kind of 
Marxism you seem to recognize is a kind that you despise? What does it 
mean to say you are a "Marxist" when you support capitalist development? 
"Marxism", as I understand it, is a theory and a politics of critiquing 
capitalism within the process of seeking to overthrow it and go beyond 
it. The only people I am familiar with who call themselves Marxists while 
supporting capitalist development were those like the Italian communist 
party hacks who produced a steady stream of Marxist theory and rhetoric, 
while supporting not only Italian capitalist investment and containment 
of worker struggles but also the vicious political repression of all who 
opposed them.  I think that if you feel compelled to support capitalist 
development because you can't see any alternative, then you should give 
up thinking of yourself, or describing yourself as "Marxist". You 
obviously have been able to see the dramatic contradiction between the 
rhetoric of the old Soviet leadership which called itself Marxist while 
exploiting the hell out of the working class. I'm sure you don't want to 
get caught in the same contradiction between rhetoric and action.


> All your talk about collective farming seems like it is drawn 
>from some sense of heartfelt sympathy, i.e., your tender feelings for 
>the poor little peasants, than serious analysis.  Have you read the 
>studies of the failure of the Mexican ejido system?  The idea of 
>collective 
>farming as an alternative to capitalism is not a new idea.  It is what 
>the Mexican state, that these so-called leftists on the lists so boldly 
>condemn, has been experimenting with since 1920!  I study this problem 
>seriously, and I find it offensive to have people throw around shallow 
>rhetoric in the place of serious analysis based on concrete experience.  

Victor: Yes, I have read the studies. And I have read studies of 
"collective farming" elsewhere as well.  I just come to very different 
conclusions than you do, as have many others. In the Soviet Union and 
China the state used collective farms to collect the surplus of peasant 
production to finance state managed industrialization. In both cases a 
highly exploitative system. In Mexico, as I read the story, the situation 
was in some ways worse. Land reform was pursued primarily to settle a 
restless peasantry, the crumb thrown to them to get them to give up the 
revolution they initiated. 

I think when you say the Mexican state has been "experimenting with 
collective farming since 1920" you are seriously misleading. The 
statement gives the impression that the Mexican state through its weight 
behind the ejido, when in fact the state sought constantly to undermine 
any "collective" character to their operation. The first Ley de Ejidos 
in 1920 mandated that all cultivatable land given to Ejidos should be 
divided up among individuals --hardly a move designed to "experiment" with 
collective operation. In 1925 the Rey de Riegos promoted the formation of 
a rural middle class, i.e., small/medium private holders, "as the 
strategic key to promoting the establishment of new irrigated areas and 
more highly developed agriculture." As is well known beginning in 1934 
Cardenas' government stepped up the pace of redistributing land (20 
million hectares among 11 thousand ejidos between 1934 and 1940) and "in 
principle" the ejido became the core of the agraian economy. Things 
looked particularly serious when the government delivered arms to the 
campesinos for them to defend their lands. Of course, the same measure 
demonstrated how much the government had NOT done to break the power of 
the old landlords or to abandon other pressures for "privatization" 
(outside individual holdings in the ejido). By 1938, the government was 
even taking some land away from the ejidos and giving it back to their 
orginal owners. How much land the campesinos got and how much the 
landlords lost seems to have been largely a measure of peasant power. In 
Zapata's Morelos all the really big haciendas were redistributed. In the 
North they were not. 

Under Camacho any support for "collectivism" became increasingly 
subordinated to "modernization" via private holdings. Even before 
that it was the case that the state provided relatively little support 
for investment in ejidal or communal land. I'm not arguing that the state 
did nothing at all, obviously it did, but it appears to have been far 
more concerned with political control than with the development of ejidos. 
It is well known, for example in the Northwest that the huge hydraulic 
projects the government financed largely bypassed the ejidos 
and poured their water into private lands carved out of the desert 
(San Joaquin Valley style). It is also worth remembering that as the 
Rockefeller investment in Mexican social engineering (first public 
health and then agricultural technology to raise output and 
stabilize the countryside) began to bear fruit in the form of new, 
high yielding wheat varieties, the "developers" directed their new 
discoveries to the better-off private farmers. Their "miracle" wheats 
prospered in the newly irrigated lands, most of which were private, not 
collective operations. They got the new varieties, the fertilizers, the 
carefully controlled irrigation, the pesticides, etc. that their poor 
ejidal neighbors couldn't afford.  They got this, of course, because they 
had the money and/or got the credit necessary --credit denied the vast 
majority of ejidal producers. What all this history makes clear, as far 
as I am concerned, is that the Mexican state, while sometimes overseeing 
the redistribution of land to pacify the countryside, has never really 
"experimented" in a serious way with "collectivization", i.e., with 
supporting communities develop their own autonomous, collective ways of 
operating and providing them with the investment support they would need. 
Instead the state has supported a land distribution system which has 
divided to conquer, which neglected the needs of poor communities while 
favoring private agribusiness throughout the post WWII period. The 
successes of the "green revolution" of the 1950s and 1960s were almost 
entirely private in nature, for the reasons mentioned above. While the 
green fields of agribusiness boomed in Sonora and Sinaloa in the North 
West,the campesinos of Chiapas and other areas continued to languish in 
neglect, largely at the mercy of casciques and landlords, police and 
military.

Moreover, the Mexican state has also stood by for decades while land has 
been stolen from the ejidos by landowners, failed to provide 
protection to campesinos who have fought back, installed and operated 
local power structures to obfuscate and frustrate campesinos' legal 
efforts to meet their needs. Even in its most rhetorically
pro-collectivization moments (Cardensas late 30s, mid 70s) the state has 
either refused to give up control or sought control via top-down 
mechanisms. The kind of bottom-up collective self-organization that I 
have talked about has NEVER been neither a state objective nor given 
state support. Therefore, I conclude, that the "collectivization" which 
you say has been "experimented" with and failed, has really been the 
state efforts to organize the peasantry in its own interests from above.


> The neoliberals blow us lefties away because they at least know what 
>they 
>are talking about when they analyze the economy.  Collective ejidos are 
>a tired old idea!  They were tried in Mexico in the 20s, the attempt was 
>intensified in the 30s, and what was the problem?  They required credit, 
>technology, etc, etc, all the components of the capitalist developers 
>they were made to overcome.  How pitiful!  

Victor: As I have just indicated they were NOT "tried". What you say here 
makes no sense. "They required credit, technology, etc., etc., all the 
components of the capitalist developers they were made to overcome." Of 
course, within a larger capitalist framework they needed credit --when 
everthing has a price and can only be obtained through the market, of 
course you need credit. What is "pitiful" about that? Hand over the 
production of agricultural research and input production to the ejidos 
then they won't need credit, they'll just produce it for themselves. But 
that, of course, was never a question in a capitalist economy --as Mexico 
has always been. The ejidos were NOT made to "overcome" the need for 
inputs in agriculture, how could they be? They were not even made to 
"overcome" capitalist agriculture. As I have briefly indicated above, 
and you know well if you really "study these matters seriously" the 
state not only never abandoned capitalist agriculture but has actually 
given it most of its support. As some have argued, the ejidos appear in 
historical retrospect, cutting out all the hype and rhetoric, as 
temporary holding pens for the rural population, organized so that they 
could partially feed themselves but would still need to resort to wage 
labor (e.g., work on the wealthier private farms) and those wages could 
be held at ridicuously low levels precisely because they had just 
enough land for a milpa or two for partial subsistance.

It should be said that this story is not limited to Mexico. The early 
post WWII enthousiasm of American elite policy makers for land reform 
(after the loss of China) disappeared quickly whereever they lacked the 
military power to totally control the process. Where they did have it 
(Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan, Germany) they were able to stabilize the rural 
population on the land --until they were needed. Where they did not 
have the power they switched to other forms of social engineering and 
ultimately technolgical fixes like the Green Revolution grains (India, 
Philipines etc.)  


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University of Texas at Austin
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